A thread for discussing the death of the Queen:
Tonyb: With the death of the queen I feel as if I have lost a family member. A huge part of the west’s structure that has existed for 70 years, has been demolished
David Maddison: She led as Queen way after typical retirement age because she knew Charles and her grandsons were not up to the job. Even though the Queen had little political power, she was an anchor figure of our Civilisation and offered a sense of stability and constancy.
Serge Wright: Yep, she didn’t want Charles to be king for a day longer than humanly possible and she didn’t want to see Charles as king with her own eyes – or Camilla as queen. I think the reason for this is obvious when you look at how Charles influences the government and public opinion on important issues and views himself as a pseudo ruling head of state. To her credit, the queen was always focused on allowing the government to rule without influence or intrusion as this would erode democracy. Now that Charles has become king we can expect a vastly different approach and it won’t be helpful. There is also a risk of countries exiting the commonwealth.
Ronin: The other thing I liked about her, regardless of her own personal beliefs, she never paraded her politics in public, unlike her male heirs.
Then there is the other view by Daffy essentially that: QE2 was a great lady, but under her reign the Commonwealth shrank in influence, members were tolerated while they engineered religious and class oppression (yes, sub-continent, I think of you – he says), and Britain allowed illegal and even legal immigration that increased crime and saw the decay of a high-trust society. The rise of political correctness gave the UK the dark travesty of Rotherham. And citizens freedom of speech and opinion has in some ways been wound back to pre Magna Carta days.
Responsibility for many of these trends was surely a voter-and-parliamentary failure — but it’s a fair question to ask if the Queen could have done more to stop it. We could ask that question of us all…
UPDATE: Strop and Tonyb point out that technically the Commonwealth has grown in member states from 7 to 52, and now nearly a third of the world’s people live in a Commonwealth nation. Jo replies: I would hope that the influence of the Commonwealth would grow rather than recede, and with Brexit, it seemed so obvious to renew the Commonwealth as a trading and cultural union. Now with the abject decline and failure of the EU on display, the time is perfect, but alas, Charles will not be that guiding light and the opportunity may be squandered…
I suspect in hindsight we will feel grateful she reigned as long as she did.
UPDATE: #2 Tucker Carlson “This is why they are attacking Queen Elizabeth II”
Nigel Farage: “I am profoundly sad” — “Her reign was 30% of the time the US has existed — it gives you some idea of sheer historical span of what she’s done, never a single scandal…”
[Please bear in mind Australians have no free speech either, and Section 18C means you cannot offend any race or ethnic group.]
September 8, 2022